Category: The Writer Podcast

  • 10 Resources For Fantasy Writers

    10 Resources For Fantasy Writers

    Hello! The Book Bardess is back with her top 10 resources for fantasy writers! (or writers in general). Looking for help on structuring your latest novel? Have you fallen to The Great Enemy Procrastination and can’t seem to knock him away? These blogs, websites, or books might help. Let’s dive in!

    K.M. Weiland’s blog: Helping Writers Become Authors

    I am a full-on plotter, and I know I’m not the only one. Weiland does an amazing job explaining plot, theme, and character using the 3-Act Structure. I began exploring Weiland’s blog when I was writing Knightfall. The problem with Knightfall was that the middle sagged.

    Nothing happened.

    The plot was stagnant.

    After subscribing to read Weiland’s weekly tips and implementing what she said, I was able to build a plot that didn’t sag in the middle! Key word: implementing!

    Author Media

    Are you serious about publishing but aren’t sure how to build your platform? Have you published a book but it’s not selling well? Check out Thomas Umstattd Jr.’s website and blog! With posts from how to please your varrious readers to how to build an awesome website, you’ll find lots of advice and experience here.

    For Ye Medievalists and Fantasy Writers:

    Rebecca Shedd’s Blog Archives

    Rebecca Shedd’s blog archives are a huge resource for medieval fantasy or historical writers! Here you’ll learn everything from the different clothing trends in the 12th century to how they sailed ships. I love this place because not only is it an awesome store of research, it’s a great place for the history geeks!

    Story Embers

    You want to plot or edit your first novel, but the problem is, you don’t have a ton of time to scroll through long posts. Did you know, Story Embers’ downloadable pdfs are super easy to fill out and are an awesome help? Want to go a step further and receive weekly writing tips or grab the opportunity to join webinars and summits with other writers? Subscribe to their email list!

    Creating Character Arcs by K.M. Weiland

    Get the same structuring advice as with Weiland’s blog without having to spend hours online! It has basically the same things as the blog, just in paper form. 

    Getting Into Character by Brandilyn Collins

    Brandilyn has some great tips for crafting characters, from subtexting to finding out your character’s core motivation. I have used the second chapter of Getting Into Character so many times that I don’t even have to open it up anymore to remember what to do!

    5 Editors Tackle 12 Major Flaws of Fiction by C.S. Laskin

    I had just finished a draft of Knightfall. As I sat looking at almost 100 pages of a Google doc, I wondered how I was going to edit it all. This book helped me a ton and it will help you, too. It explains 12 major problems a lot of writers struggle with, gives examples and signs that you might have this problem in your novel, and shows you how to fix it!

    For Ye Procrastinators & Writers with Severe Cases of Writer’s Block:

    The Most Dangerous Writing App

    Have you ever sat down prepared to write and then all of a sudden you couldn’t think of anything to say? The Most Dangerous Writing App motivates and forces you to write something fast. Keep writing or all progress will be lost! Some find this tool stressful, others think it’s the best way to get words on the page. Personally, I’m the latter. 

    For Ye Grammar Nerds (Or Those Who Oppose Grammar):

    Word Hippo

    I am a little but of both. However, especially when doing line edits for Knightfall, I found grammar to be extremely useful. Word Hippo helped me a lot!

    A notebook & pen

    I know, I know. This isn’t the kind of resource you were looking for. But the truth is, no website, book, or pdf can make you write words on a page. The only way to write a novel is to sit down and actually write. So, what are you waiting for?

  • Crafting Theme with Autumn Crane

    Crafting Theme with Autumn Crane

    Transcript:

    Jubilee Anderson:
    Hey everyone! Welcome back to The Book Bardess podcast! Today we’re going to be crafting theme with Autumn Crane!

    Autumn loves to create things—she is a cake decorator, musician, and of course, an author who has been writing consistently for two years. No matter what genre Autumn is writing in, she strives to mix hope and humor with a truthful depiction of the world. In everything, she wants to glorify God and bring Him joy.

    So Autumn, thank you so much for joining me today. I am so excited!

    Autumn Crane:
    Yes, thank you for having me!

    Jubilee Anderson:
    So, in your own words, how would you define theme?

    Autumn Crane:
    I would say theme is the heart of the story. It’s the message the reader takes away at the end. Theme is the universal truth that everyone can carry from it.

    Jubilee Anderson:
    That’s great. So what themes resonate with you in other authors’ books?

    Autumn Crane:
    The ones that resonate most are the themes I’ve been struggling with. The things that are hard for me to learn, or that I’m in the process of learning. Getting that boost of encouragement from a story is powerful.

    For me, themes like growing up, change, and community really hit home, because those are things I’ve been wrestling with.

    Jubilee Anderson:
    Yes, that’s definitely true for me as well—things like having a lot of siblings, sibling rivalry, love, and forgiveness. Those are some themes that resonate with me.

    How do you use symbolism or imagery to reinforce your theme without being too obvious?

    Autumn Crane:
    First, don’t worry about it too much, because what’s in your heart will come out whether you’re trying to or not—which can be both scary and really cool.

    For me, symbolism is usually something I slip in during the moment. If you’re not setting out with the goal of “teaching a theme,” it usually won’t come across as preachy.

    If you find a fun moment where something symbolic fits, add it in. People may notice or they may not, but either way it adds depth.

    Jubilee Anderson:
    That’s really good. I don’t remember exactly how he said it, but S.D. Smith talks about how when you’re a Christian, your faith naturally comes out in your stories—whether you’re trying to or not.

    So here’s a similar question: How do you balance exploring a meaningful theme without becoming too preachy?

    Autumn Crane:
    It’s really about giving it over to God. I’ll pray, “Lord, I know you’re leading me to put this into my book—help me do it in a way that honors you.” And it works out.

    Sometimes, when you hand your draft to someone and ask, “What messages are you getting from this?” you’ll find that God has woven in something even better than what you intended.

    If your goal isn’t to teach a lesson, it usually won’t come off as preachy.

    Jubilee Anderson:
    That’s a really good point. How does theme shape other elements of your story like plot, setting, or tone?

    Autumn Crane:
    I’d say theme affects characters the most, because it often overlaps with what your character is learning. Once it shapes your character, it naturally spreads into the plot, setting, and tone.

    For me, characters drive the story, so their journey—and the theme they’re living out—ends up woven into everything.

    Jubilee Anderson:
    Yes, they’re all so closely connected. What advice would you give to writers who struggle to identify the theme in their own work?

    Autumn Crane:
    Look at what’s happening in your life—your theme often reflects that.

    If you’re going through change or new relationships, your themes might naturally be about building community or navigating life changes.

    Also, have someone else read your work and tell you what messages they see.

    Another tip I learned in middle school literature class was to start a sentence with “The author believes that…” and fill in the theme you think the book conveys. Then cross out “The author believes that,” and what’s left is the theme. That exercise has been really helpful, and I can even use this method on myself by reading my own writing and asking, “Is this what I want readers to take away about what I believe?”

    Jubilee Anderson:
    That’s really interesting. Your English teacher must have been great. So what resources would you recomment for people trying to craft the theme of their next story?

    Autumn Crane:
    I’m not big on books about writing, but I’ll give a shameless plug for the Young Writers Workshop. The community there is incredible and always willing to help.

    Also, just read good books. Study how themes are woven into the ones you love. And look at how God is teaching you lessons in your own life. If you pay attention to how you’re learning, it’ll help you write characters who learn in authentic ways, and that helps your readers learn too.

    Jubilee Anderson:
    That’s really good. We’re almost wrapped up with our interview today, but I have one more question: Where can listeners find you online?

    Autumn Crane:
    You can find me on the Young Writers Workshop and through events like Crazy Writing Week, Crazy Editing Week, (Note: the previous two links are not up to date) and Crazy Writing Month. Look up “Autumn Crane” and you’ll find me.

    Jubilee Anderson:
    Everyone, go check out the Young Writers Workshop!

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    Thank you so much for joining me today, Autumn. This has been so much fun.

    Autumn Crane:
    Thank you!

  • Writer’s Block with Mj Falcon

    Writer’s Block with Mj Falcon

    Follow Mj on instagram @mj_falcon_creatives

    Transcript:

    Jubilee:
    Hey everyone, welcome back to The Book Bardess podcast for an interview with MJ. As an 18-year-old Christian author, MJ has always enjoyed creative writing and mainly writes fantasy and contemporary. She started writing poetry at age six but switched to crafting fiction stories when she was nine. Since then, she has finished four books and several short stories. Outside of writing, MJ enjoys drawing, doing theater, and watching movies.

    Today we’re going to talk with MJ about writer’s block—why it happens and how to get out of it. So MJ, thanks so much for joining me today. I’m so excited! Let’s dive in. How would you define writer’s block in your own experience?

    MJ:
    Thanks for having me! Well, generally when people think of writer’s block, they think it’s just not having any idea what to write—but there are so many different versions. There’s the “no ideas” kind, the “no motivation” kind, the “no energy,” or even the “no time” kind. For me, most of my writer’s block comes from a lack of motivation or as a procrastination tactic. I’ll do anything other than write when I’m in a block.

    It’s like I have all these ideas in my head, but something inside just won’t let me write for some reason. It’s really annoying.

    Jubilee:
    That is so me. Procrastination is my biggest writer’s block.

    MJ:
    Yeah, exactly.

    Jubilee:
    Can you recall a specific time when you struggled with writer’s block? What do you think triggered it?

    MJ:
    I actually have two specific times that come to mind. The first was when I was brand new to being a serious writer. I was working on this pirate book, and I thought it was going to be my thing—like, “I’m going to be a pirate author!” I finished it and had people edit it, and it was a total dumpster fire. There was no plot, no structure—looking back now, I’m like, “What was I thinking?”

    I was devastated. I’d put all my energy into that one story, thinking it would be my big break, and I didn’t have a backup plan. I went months without writing because I didn’t know what else to work on. Now, I have the opposite problem—too many ideas! But that was the first time I really faced writer’s block.

    The second time was with my current project. A friend of mine originally gave me the story idea and shared a bunch of brainstorming snippets with me. I was reading them one day, and they were so beautiful and well-written that I actually started crying. I thought, “Why can’t I write like this? She’s writing my story better than I can.”

    It made me feel like I wasn’t good enough to do the story justice. But she encouraged me and reminded me that I’m a good writer too. She told me to write for me, not for anyone else. And that really helped shift my mindset. Everyone has a unique voice, and no one can tell a story the way you can.

    Jubilee:
    That’s so true. I don’t know if I’ve experienced exactly that, but I’ve always known I wasn’t a great writer, so I expected critique—and that’s exactly what I got.

    MJ:
    Well, hey, that’s good that you were open to it. I was… not. I thought I had it all figured out!

    Jubilee:
    That totally makes sense. What are some personal strategies you’ve used to overcome writer’s block?

    MJ:
    I love this question. I feel like whenever you search for advice online, it’s always the same stuff—make a playlist, do a collage, use writing prompts. That doesn’t work for me.

    What does work is consuming media with the same vibe as what I’m trying to write. My current project is set in a circus, so I read circus-themed books and watched The Greatest Showman. That kind of inspiration gets the creative juices flowing.

    Also, I recommend reading over just watching. Books show you sentence structure, tone, and how things are worded—it helps you grow as a writer.

    Another tip is changing your physical position when writing. Not just location, but how you’re sitting. Sometimes just putting my laptop on my lap and changing the angle unlocks something, and suddenly I’m writing like crazy.

    Reading your own old writing helps too. Sometimes you’ll find random gold nuggets in what you thought was cringy. Younger me was randomly deep, and I’ll come across something and think, “Wait, that was actually good.”

    Jubilee:
    Same! Old writing can be terrible, but sometimes it’s surprisingly good. I’ve also noticed that reading in your genre while writing definitely helps with inspiration. There’s a reason people say to do it.

    MJ:
    Yes! I was reading like twelve books in my genre a few weeks ago, and it was so helpful. Oh, and another tip—do something boring. Boredom leads to creativity. I can’t tell you how many plot holes I’ve fixed while doing the dishes!

    Jubilee:
    Yes! My best ideas come when I’m doing something like walking or cleaning—totally unrelated to writing, but something active.

    MJ:
    Exactly. You step away, and suddenly the ideas just come to you.

    Jubilee:
    Has writer’s block ever helped you discover something new about your writing process or yourself?

    MJ:
    Yes. I’ve realized I put way too much pressure on myself to get it right the first time. I have this all-or-nothing mindset—if it’s not going to be perfect, I don’t want to do it at all. But I read something online that helped: If it’s worth doing well, it’s worth doing poorly.

    The example they gave was brushing your teeth—maybe you’re supposed to brush for two minutes, but brushing for thirty seconds is better than not brushing at all. Same thing with writing. First drafts don’t have to be perfect. They just help you figure out what works and what doesn’t. So I always say, “Write your garbage. It’s your garbage. You can fix it later. No one has to see it.”

    Jubilee:
    That’s an awesome mindset for writing in general.

    Okay, here’s a question I had some thoughts on, as well—do you think social media or modern technology contributes to writer’s block?

    MJ:
    Do you want to go first?

    Jubilee:
    Sure!

    I think it does. I’ve noticed that if I check social media first thing in the morning and then try to write, nothing comes to me. Social media is passive—you don’t really have to think. But writing is active. Turning on social media before getting to your latest writing project is like eating candy before an apple.

    So for me, starting the day with writing before social media makes a big difference.

    MJ:
    Wow, that was deep! And I totally agree. Social media is kind of mind-numbing—entertainment just gets poured into your brain and shuts down your creativity. Sometimes it can help, like if you’re looking for prompts, but most of the time it’s just a distraction.

    I’ll open my phone to play music while I write, and next thing I know, I’m watching TikToks an hour later. It just eats up time, and I’m like, “What happened?”

    Jubilee:
    Right? It’s so easy to fall into that.

    MJ:
    Yeah. Definitely a major distraction for writers.

    Jubilee:

    What advice would you give to new writers facing serious writer’s block?

    MJ:
    I’d say, find what works for you. Like with art—when I first started drawing, I did landscapes and was terrible at it. I thought I was just a bad artist. But then I started drawing people and machinery, and I realized, “Oh, I can draw—I just needed to find my thing.”

    Same with writing. I started with poetry, then tried mystery—which I could never finish, even though I loved reading mysteries. Eventually, I found my groove with contemporary, sci-fi, and some magical realism.

    So even if you want to write a certain story or genre, it might not work for you right now. Build your skills with what you’re good at, and then branch out.

    Also, find people to share your writing with. Accountability helps so much. When someone’s waiting on you to send a chapter, it gives you motivation to keep going. And when they give you encouragement, it makes you want to write more. Surround yourself with people who are excited about your stories.

    Jubilee:
    Absolutely. Encouragement from others can be a huge motivator.

    Okay, one last question I just thought of—can you think of any resources you’ve used to overcome writer’s block? You mentioned music earlier.

    MJ:
    Yeah, I use a lot of playlists—different ones for different vibes. I also like collecting things that remind me of my characters, like trinkets or clothes. I even have a full costume for one of my characters, and it’s just really cool to have that tangible connection.

    Jubilee:
    That’s awesome. So where can people find you online?

    MJ:
    I just started an Instagram account! There’s not much on there yet, but I’ll be posting more soon. You can follow me at @mj_falcon_creatives—that’s all lowercase with underscores between the words.

    Jubilee:
    Perfect. I’ll link that in the description. Thanks so much, MJ, for doing this interview with me—it was super fun.

    MJ:
    Yeah, it was awesome. Thanks for having me!

    Jubilee:
    You’re welcome. Alright, bye everyone!

    *****

    Did you enjoy this interview? Check out my interview on crafting theme here!

  • Building Characters with Reilly Smith

    Building Characters with Reilly Smith

    Check out Reilly’s writing podcast, The Inked!

    Transcript:

    Jubilee:
    Howdy everyone, welcome back to The Book Bardess podcast for an interview with Riley Smith. Riley is a young writer with a passion for the Lord and a love of animals, chocolate, the outdoors, and of course, books. Currently, she's working on one main project—a young adult fiction series called The Amulets of Averon. Riley has been writing seriously for about five years, ever since she decided to write her own version of Pilgrim's Progress. (P.S.—it didn’t turn out that way.) When she’s not writing, you can find her swinging outside, in a theater production, or working on things for her writing podcast, The Inked.

    So, when you first start planning out a book, how do you start building your characters?

    Reilly:
    When I go about outlining or preparing to write a story, I always start with the character. First, I think about how they look physically. Once you have that, you get a better feel for where the character is going emotionally. For example, I might decide I want my character to have blonde hair, blue eyes, and be a girl—or maybe a guy—and then I ask: what is this character’s main conflict in the story? Those are my two big starting points: physical description and conflict. Then I go into more detail from there.

    Jubilee:
    I'm working on a new project, and just giving a name to that character and thinking about what they look like—it makes them feel like a whole new person.

    Reilly:
    For sure. I always have so much fun with physical descriptions—I tend to go a little overboard. I have a character with bright white hair, dark tan skin, and green eyes. She’s so much fun. I asked a friend to do some character art and she said, “This is such a weird character description... but I kind of love it.” She’s drawing her now, and I’m really excited to see the finished product. It just makes the characters feel so much more real.

    Jubilee:
    That's really cool. White hair sounds awesome.

    Reilly:
    It’s kind of a tendency of mine. That’s like the third or fourth character I’ve given white hair!

    Jubilee:
    Wow! I also like white hair—it’s just cool. So once you’ve got their physical appearance down, how do you make your characters relatable to the reader?

    Reilly:
    There are two ways you can make a character relatable: through their main conflict or through smaller, more personal quirks. The main conflict is usually the driving force—like their greatest fear or deepest desire. That might be relatable to some readers, but not all. That’s where the small conflicts—or what I call quirks—come in.

    Quirks are the fun, weird, little things about your character that a lot of people can relate to. Maybe they have ADHD—many of my characters do. Maybe they play with their hair or pick at their nails. I had one character who eats tomatoes like apples—just washes them and bites right in. That was based on one of my best friends. She read that part and said, “Wait a minute, that’s me!” And I was like, “Yep!” Those little things help readers connect with characters in a really personal way.

    Jubilee:
    I love that! I've done the same thing—based quirks on my friends. Since they're real people, it helps make the characters feel more real, too.

    Reilly:
    Exactly. I often base parts of my characters on my family or friends. Not every part of them, but definitely certain traits. And it’s always funny when my friends read my stories and go, “This is why you were asking me all those questions!”

    Jubilee:
    That’s really funny. Do you usually write characters that change a lot through the story, or ones who stay mostly the same?

    Reilly:
    It depends on the story. Sometimes I have characters with a big overarching arc—they start young and naïve, then go through something difficult and grow into who they’re meant to be. They might experience emotional, physical, or spiritual changes, especially in my more spiritually-themed books.

    Other times, I have characters—like side characters—who don’t change as much. But overall, most of my stories center around growth in some way.

    Jubilee:
    So how do characters change throughout the story?

    Reilly:
    It usually happens at a turning point, where they make a big decision that could completely change their life. For example, one of my characters had to decide whether to join the army. His parents were against it, but he wanted to go fight with his friends. That decision ended up changing him—it gave him a deep sense of compassion he didn’t know he had.

    Most change comes through traumatic or chaotic events. But in genres like rom-coms—which I write just for fun—characters might change from small, meaningful moments, like helping someone or seeing something that shifts their perspective. So it can be either big or small moments that bring about growth.

    Jubilee:
    Yes! In the Bible, it says suffering produces character, and that’s so true. It can lead to good or bad character depending on the direction of the arc. Speaking of arcs—do you plot out your stories or just write them?

    Reilly:
    Oh, I’m a total planner. I plan every detail. I have outlines, plot charts, worldbuilding charts, character charts—and if it’s a fantasy story, I’ll make a full encyclopedia. There’s so much lore and backstory. I end up with like 20 pages of planning documents. It’s kind of an issue, honestly!

    Jubilee:
    That’s amazing! Have you heard of K.M. Weiland’s plotting resources?

    Reilly:
    I’ve heard of it, but I haven’t used it.

    Jubilee:
    She really emphasizes how character, theme, and plot are all connected. One thing I learned from her blog is that characters often start off believing a lie. Through the events of the story, they gradually begin to believe the truth. I used to write conversion stories where the character believed a lie for 75% of the book, then suddenly switched at the end. But I realized character change happens gradually over the whole story.

    Reilly:
    Yes, absolutely. That makes so much sense.

    Jubilee:
    Have you come across any resources that you’d recommend to writers—whether they’re just starting out or have been building characters for years?

    Reilly:
    Honestly, I don’t use a ton of resources. My biggest tool is just observing people. My dad and I go on walks along the beach in the summer, and we people-watch. The more you understand real people, the better you can write believable characters.

    People are dynamic—they’re always changing, thinking, feeling, evolving. Your characters should be the same. Even if it’s an animal or fantasy creature with human-like thoughts, they should still be dynamic.

    Jubilee:
    That’s such a great point—watching people really is one of the best tools.

    Reilly:
    Just… don’t be creepy about it, okay? I’m not saying to go spy on your neighbors with binoculars!

    Jubilee:
    Haha! I read a writing book once where someone said they eavesdropped on people at stoplights. I was like... okay, I don’t think I’d go that far!

    Reilly:
    Yeah, that’s a bit extreme!

    Jubilee:
    Well, this has been awesome. One last question—where can listeners find you online?

    Reilly:
    You can find me mainly through The Inked Podcast socials. We’re on YouTube, and the podcast is also on Spotify. For more information or to submit questions, check out our website: theinkedworld.com.

    Jubilee:
    Awesome! Everyone go check that out! Thank you so much for doing this, Reilly!

    Reilly:
    It was a lot of fun!

    *****
    Did you enjoy this interview? Check out my interview on defeating writer's block here!


  • Knightfall Interview

    Knightfall Interview

    Interview Transcript

    Tim:
    Today I’m interviewing Jubilee on her book Knightfall. So Jubilee, tell me about your new book, Knightfall.

    Jubilee:
    Knightfall is a YA medieval fantasy, and it’s about this knight named Marcus who goes on an extremely urgent assignment to save the noble and his family from an attacking army. He needs to warn them before the army comes. And so the story follows him and tells whether he’s successful or not.

    Tim:
    Sounds interesting. So your motivation for writing this story—tell me a little bit about how did this even start?

    Jubilee:
    So a long time ago—well, it wasn’t actually that long ago, about a year and a half ago—I was reading with my mom. She has this curriculum that she does with us, and she reads us stories from literature. Some of them are not stories, some are poems. One of these poems was called The Listeners by Walter de la Mare.

    The poem is about a knight who goes up to a castle and knocks on the door, and no one answers him. But it’s implied that there are ghosts inside listening. The knight ends up turning around and walking away. That was the original inspiration for the story.

    The second inspiration was the Wingfeather Saga. There’s a plot twist at the end of that series, and I thought it was such a cool way to end a story. I didn’t want to copy it, but I wanted to end mine similarly—with a twist.

    Tim:
    Yeah, that’s fun. So when you started doing this, did you have people who helped you get your first version of the story put together, or did you do that mostly on your own?

    Jubilee:
    The first draft, I did mostly on my own. I wrote through the whole thing, and then I joined this online writing community. That was the first time I’d ever seen other writers in a group, critiquing each other’s work and helping each other grow.

    Tim:
    So did you already have a version of the book before you joined this community?

    Jubilee:
    Yeah, I did. Once I joined, I started learning a lot. I joined a critique group and submitted the story, and they gave me some amazing feedback. It was super helpful.

    Tim:
    What kinds of things did you hear from that group? What was one or two of the most helpful things?

    Jubilee:
    It’s hard to remember everything because I’ve gone through so many drafts.

    Tim:
    How many drafts have you gone through at this point?

    Jubilee:
    Seven drafts.

    Tim:
    Wow, that’s a lot.

    Jubilee:
    Yeah. One major thing they pointed out in the first draft was that I had missing pieces. There would be a character that would appear in one scene, then disappear, and then randomly reappear a few scenes later when I needed him. That was a mistake I had to fix.

    Tim:
    What do they call that—scene continuity or something?

    Jubilee:
    We usually just call it consistency throughout the story.

    Tim:
    Okay, yeah. That makes sense. So now that you’re on your seventh draft, what have you learned by going through all of them? And what would you do differently if you wrote the first draft again?

    Jubilee:
    There’ve been huge changes since that first draft. The original was about 50 pages. Now it’s around 100. So it’s doubled.

    Tim:
    Is that because of added descriptions, or just more natural story progression?

    Jubilee:
    This is something I would do differently next time. I’m a huge plotter. I like to plan my story from the beginning, middle, to end. I recently learned a new way to structure a story that significantly improved the seventh draft. It would’ve saved me a lot of time early on.

    If the foundation isn’t strong or shaped right, it’s hard to build on. And by shape, I mean the story arc.

    Tim:
    So you were missing part of the arc originally?

    Jubilee:
    Yeah, the middle was missing. The beginning was great, the ending was awesome, but the middle sagged. Not much happened. That’s why the random character showed up—to fill space. But at the time, I didn’t understand how important the middle is. You can’t just have a character believe one thing the whole story, then suddenly change at the climax. The middle helps show the gradual change that makes the ending believable.

    Tim:
    Nice. So what are your plans for the book from here on out?

    Jubilee:
    I’m hoping this is the final revision—or at least close. If not, there’ll be an eighth revision. That one will focus more on sentence structure and grammar. Right now I’m basically rewriting the whole thing, but I’m excited. It’s looking good.

    Tim:
    So once you complete it, what are your publishing plans?

    Jubilee:
    Right now I’m planning to offer it for free to people who sign up for my email list on my website. If you sign up before March, (Edit: I actually released it in May) you’ll still get it when it comes out in March.

    Tim:
    That’s great. So where do people go to find the book?

    Jubilee:
    You can go to my website: jubileeanderson.com. There’s a pop-up to subscribe, and if you scroll down on the front page, there’s also a sign-up form.

    Tim:
    Awesome. For people out there who are thinking about writing a book—how many hours would you say you’ve spent writing Knightfall?

    Jubilee:
    A lot. Definitely more than 100. Probably around 500. I write every single morning for at least an hour, sometimes more.

    Tim:
    So if you’re excited to write a book, get ready for about 500 hours. But of course, this is one of your earlier books.

    Jubilee:
    Yeah. I’m hoping the next one goes faster.

    Tim:
    That’s exciting. Do you have another book planned?

    Jubilee:
    I do. I have several ideas in the brainstorming stage.

    Tim:
    Do you have a title yet?

    Jubilee:
    Not yet. I have three or four ideas, and I’m not sure which one to start.

    Tim:
    Do you have a favorite idea?

    Jubilee:
    Yeah, I just came up with one the other day that’s kind of a medieval romance fantasy. I think it would be really cool to write.

    Tim:
    That’s exciting. Well, thanks so much for being here today.

    Jubilee:
    Thank you for having me, Tim.

    Tim:
    Talk to you soon.

  • Analyzing: Return of the Jedi

    Analyzing: Return of the Jedi

    Return of the Jedi cover

    Return of the Jedi: Star Wars OG #3

    Analyzer: Jubilee Anderson

    This post includes spoilers!

    A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away….

    The Imperial forces have begun constructing a new, bigger, and more powerful Death Star than the one Luke destroyed in A New Hope. After rescuing Han Solo from imprisonment, Luke flies back to the Jedi Master Yoda to complete his training. Yoda tells him that the only way for him to become a Jedi is to face his father and kill him. After the death of his beloved master, Luke joins his friends in their mission to destroy the new Death Star. But not far into the journey, he realizes his presence is severely jeopardizing his friends’ safety.

    Return of the Jedi includes themes of good vs. evil, manhood, and loyalty. Luke not only faces hatred and overcomes it, but he brings someone else with him back to the Light Side.

    My Thoughts

    If the last movie did a good job of stirring up Luke’s internal conflict between hatred and love and giving in to his father’s request, this movie is even better. I have so many favorite scenes from this movie. The interaction between C3PO and the ewoks was so funny! It was really sweet when Luke reveals the truth to Leia about their identity, and I love the tension in the final scenes between Luke, Darth Vader, and Palpatine. This is the most touching of all the movies by far, and a neat wrap-up to the original Star Wars trilogy.

    Content Labels: Mild violence, romantic tension including several instances of kissing. The beginning scenes show women scantily clad, with only a bikini on. This is the major reason I’d give Return of the Jedi a 3 star instead of 4, and while it was effective to the plot, it was also very distracting.

    For Ye Writers!

    Character Arcs

    To recap, Luke’s Goal is to be a Jedi, and his Want is to be like his father. In the last movie, Luke overcame his pride and realized that he, too, could be subject to the Dark Side. 

    He also learned that his father was not actually the good man he had envisioned. But Luke still has this vision of what a good man looks like based upon who he thought his father was before he learned the truth. So let’s follow the major plot points through Luke’s character arc as he fully solidifies what it truly means to be a hero, and ultimately, a man.

    In Return of the Jedi, the call to action happens when Yoda tells Luke that he must kill his father to become a Jedi. Luke doesn’t accept this call to action right away. He doesn’t want to kill his father.

    With hope and yearning for his father to change to the Light Side, Luke eventually surrenders himself to the stormtroopers in order to try to convince Darth Vader to turn back. But Vader refuses, delivering Luke to Emperor Palpatine.

    Palpatine places Luke by a window to watch the destruction of the Rebel forces and the deaths of his friends. This is Luke’s final chance to resist hatred, but Palpatine lures him in. Luke battles Darth, but then realizes that he’s falling to the Dark Side just like his father did. He throws down his lightsaber. Enraged, Palpatine electrocutes Luke, but Darth Vader steps in front, sacrificing his life for Luke and becoming the man Luke originally imagined his father to be. 

    While Luke is certainly changed, there is a larger contrast between Darth Vader at the beginning and Darthat the end of the movie. Darth Vader at the beginning is a tyrant, but also somewhat a slave, willingly obeying Palpatine’s command. At the end, he dies for his son, overcoming his hatred in love and defeating Palpatine.

    As I mentioned in the analyzation of The Empire Strikes Back, there are three types of characters necessary to a positive change arc: the protagonist, a character stuck in the evil the protagonist wants to avoid, and a character already living the virtue the protagonist wants to achieve.

    Last time we discussed several options for the vice in this movie and we decided upon either hatred or pride (RotJ seems to lean heavier on the hatred aspect whereas the TESB seemed to lean more towards the pride aspect). 

    At this point, Luke has already overcome his pride, and now he must face the temptation to hatred and overcome it. Again, he must choose; will he follow the path of Obi Wan and Yoda? Or will he fall to the Dark Side and join Palpatine and Darth Vader? 

    Luke not only overcomes this temptation, he brings his father along with him to the Light Side.

    Plot Structure

    Take a look at the more in-depth analyzation of The Empire Strikes Back here on K.M. Weiland’s website.

    Characteristic Mom: Luke is back in Tatooine. They set out to rescue Han and succeed.

    Inciting Event: On his deathbed, Yoda tells Luke that the only way to become a Jedi is to face his father.

    Push Point: Luke joins his friends in their mission to destroy the Death Star’s shield, but regrets it when he realizes Darth Vader can sense him with the force.

    Pinch Point: Han and Leia run into Storm Troopers on Endor. Emperor Palpatine sets a trap for the Rebel ships coming to blow up the new Death Star.

    Midpoint: The Ewoks lead the Rebels to the shield generator on Endor. Luke reveals to Leia that Darth Vader is his father. He surrenders to the Empire and they take him to Darth Vader.

    Pinch Point: Luke fails to convince Darth Vader to turn from the dark side. “You underestimate the power of the dark side.”

    Lowpoint: Leia and Han are trapped by the storm troopers. Luke watches the Rebel ships being destroyed. He gives in to the temptation and fights his father. Luke cuts off Vader’s hand just like Vader cut off Luke’s hand. If Luke goes any further, he will become Darth Vader himself.

    Climax: Luke resists the temptation to give in to his anger and ultimately the Dark Side. He almost dies, but Darth Vader kills the Emperor, sacrificing his life and saving Luke. When Luke defeats his temptation, he becomes a Jedi knight and figuratively he becomes a man.

    Resolution: Everyone celebrates. Luke cremates Vader’s remains. He later sees his force ghost father Anakin beside his mentors Obi Wan and Yoda.

    Closing

    I hope this review/analyzation of Return of the Jedi has helped you see how plot, characters, and theme are tightly interwoven, and hopefully you can impliment some of these things in your own story. You can find the analyzations for movies 1 & 2 here and here.

  • Analyzing: The Empire Strikes Back

    Analyzing: The Empire Strikes Back

    The Empire Strikes Back cover

    The Empire Strikes Back: Star Wars OG #2

    Analyzer: Jubilee Anderson

    Remember, this post includes spoilers!

    A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away….

    When his old mentor’s ghost tells Luke to go to another planet to train under a Jedi Master named Yoda, Luke immediately obeys. At the same time, the Rebel base is attacked, and Luke’s friends are forced to flee. Will Luke finish his training in time to face the evil lord, Darth Vader, or will his friends be killed by Vader’s forces?

    The Empire Strikes Back has themes of good vs. evil, loyalty, and romance.

    My Thoughts

    In the last post we talked about movie 1, A New Hope. Now I’m back to talk about the second movie.

    I heard a lot of spoilers before watching this movie, sadly, including one of the best plot twists in movie history. When I finally watched it, it was exactly how I expected. I was so shocked at meeting Yoda, I wondered if Luke had really found the right guy! I was really sad for Han and Leia, and I loved Luke’s character arc especially during the last half of the movie.

    I know I said this last time, but it’s true: George Lucas is a master storyteller!

    Content Labels: Romantic tension between characters, including multiple instances of kissing. 

    Takeaways: The ending of this movie was suspenseful, with some loose ends not tied until the third movie. I really, really loved Luke and Vader’s character arcs and relationship as protagonist and villain. I loved the theme of fighting for what’s right and watching how Luke overcame his lies and fears to embrace this truth.

    For Ye Writers!

    Character Arcs

    (Remember: this is a study of how Luke changes over the course of the movie. Also, lots of spoilers here! DON’T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN’T WATCHED IT!!!)

    To recap from the last movie, Luke wants to “be a Jedi like my father”, by which he means that he wants to be like his father. So Luke has a Goal: to become a Jedi; and a Want: to become the honorable man his father was, willing to sacrifice for good. Now he just needs to get there. 

    In this movie, Luke accepts the call to action to become a Jedi when Obi Wan tells him to train under Yoda. When Luke first meets Yoda, he treats him with disrespect and impatience. He thinks he has it all figured out. But overtime, he learns to respect Yoda. 

    One day, Yoda sends him to fight Darth Vader, and Luke cuts off Vader’s head. He realizes it was all just a vision, and he looks into Vader’s mask. Inside is a reflection of a face that looks like his. Luke realizes that he could turn to the dark side if he does not guard himself from temptation. 

    He is faced with himself again at the climax, but this time in a different way. After cutting off Luke’s hand, Darth Vader reveals that he is Luke’s father. Vader tempts Luke to join the dark side, but Luke has learned his lesson. He doesn’t give in, but instead throws himself into the pit.

    At the beginning of the movie, Luke thought he knew how to be a Jedi and how to resist evil temptation. He was ignorant and stubborn. But in the end, he truly resists temptation and overcomes it. He actually knows this time and he’s willing to learn instead of ignorantly going on his way.

    In a story there are three main characters necessary to the plot of a positive change arc: The protagonist is the changing character. In The Empire Strikes Back, this character is Luke. Darth Vader (villain) is the one stuck in the evil Luke is trying to avoid, and Obi Wan Kenobi (mentor) is a perfect example of an impact character, or one actively living the virtue Luke is trying to achieve. 

    You may be asking, what evil is Luke trying to avoid? It was difficult to pinpoint an exact vice, but I came down to two. 

    The first one was pride. There are several hints that this is the vice throughout the movie. At the beginning, Luke thinks he has it all figured out and can resist evil on his own. Long before that, in the first movie, Darth Vader force chokes a man for telling him there is something wrong with his ship. These are instances of pride, but there isn’t a clear indication of humility from either Obi Wan or Luke, although there are traces of it.

    The second vice I thought of was hatred. Using the same instance of Darth Vader force choking the man in A New Hope, that certainly seems like an instance of hatred. There are other hints, like the way in which Darth became the dark lord, or in the third movie, when the Emperor tells Luke to give into his anger.

    Over the course of the story, Luke must choose who he will follow; Vader, or Obi Wan? Pride or Humility? Hatred or Love?

    Plot Structure

    Like in the last post, this section describes the plot of The Empire Strikes Back according to the 3-Act Structure. You can look at the more in-depth plot of this movie here on K.M Weiland’s website.

    Characteristic Moment: Luke is scouting out terrain. Han and Leia are in the Rebel base.

    Inciting Event: Luke is attacked by a wild animal. Once he escapes, Obi Wan’s ghost tells Luke to train under a Jedi named Yoda.

    Push Point: The Empire attacks the rebel base, forcing them to flee. Luke goes to Yoda’s planet while Han and Leia fly off in the Falcon

    Pinch Point: Emperor Palpatine tells Darth Vader that Luke, son of Anakin, is the new enemy they must hunt down.

    Midpoint: When Luke sees the vision of Darth Vader but then he touches it and sees himself.

    Pinch Point: Luke sees Han and Leia being tortured in a vision and he goes to save them against his mentor’s warnings. Vader forces Lando to betray Han and Leia.

    Lowpoint: Han is frozen in carbonite. Luke finds out that his father, the man he looked up to and wanted to be like, is Darth Vader.

    Climax:  Luke chooses not to accept his father’s offer to join the Dark Side and ends up hanging at the bottom of a building.

    Resolution: Luke is rescued by Leia and they fly away to safety.

    Closing

    I hope this review/analyzation of The Empire Strikes Back has helped you see how plot, characters, and theme are tightly interwoven, and hopefully you can impliment some of these things in your own story. You can find the analyzations for movies 1 & 3 here and here.

    When you watched The Empire Strikes Back, what did you think of the plot twist? I’d love to hear about it. Share with me here!

  • Analyzing: A New Hope

    Analyzing: A New Hope

    A New Hope cover

    A New Hope: Star Wars OG #1

    Analyzer: Jubilee Anderson

    A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away….

    Luke has always wanted to do something more meaningful and adventurous than living his boring life in the desert planet of Tatooine. When Luke and his uncle bring home two droids, Luke tries to fix them up. But a secret message he discovers inside one droid will change the course of his future.

    A New Hope, Star Wars movie 4 (or #1 in the OG 3) has threads of good vs. evil, coming-of-age, and adventure.

    Why A Star Wars Series?

    I got my first taste of Star Wars at my cousin’s birthday party years ago. Since then, I’ve watched various movies in the series many times with my siblings.

    The last time we watched the Original 3 (OG 3), I decided to write a collection of movie reviews. But in addition, I also wanted to analyze the plot structure of the films so that writers who have watched them can understand the three-act structure and use it in their own novels. So buckle up, and let’s take a ride through outer space! BEWARE: SPOILERS AHEAD!

    My Thoughts

    I love it. It’s action packed with chase scenes, laser shooting, space ships, and cool interstellar planets. Everything you can expect from a thriller sci-fi movie.

    George Lucas is a master storyteller. Every time I watch this, I’m drawn in by the first movie. The second and third movies have awesome plot twists, but A New Hope really holds itself up. 

    My favorite scenes are the beginning scene when Luke finds the secret message, and the scene at the end when Luke and Han get their metals.

    Content Labels: Light romantic tension between characters, including flirting and a kiss on the cheek. 

    Takeaways: The ending of the movie left me smiling. As I said before, A New Hope could be a stand-alone. It holds itself up very well, and provides a good foundation for the next two movies and their awesome plot twists.

    For Ye Writers!

    Now let’s move on to the next section. This is the part for you writers out there. While I wrote all of this content on my own, I didn’t learn about story structure by myself! The links in the next section come from K.M. Weiland’s blog, Helping Writers Become Authors. She has an awesome platform, and I highly recommend checking it out!

    I’m just gonna warn you, this next part contains full spoilers of the entire movie. Trust me, this is not a movie series you want spoilers on!

    Character Arcs

    (This section describes how Luke changes internally throughout the movie)

    Luke has lived in his Normal World, Tatooine, his entire life. He’s tired of the normal and yearns for adventure.

    When Obi Wan tells Luke that his father, Anakin, was a Jedi, Luke says he wants to be a Jedi, too. But to be more specific, Luke didn’t just want to be a Jedi. He wanted to “be a Jedi like my father.” He wanted to be like his father. That hero, that honorable man.

    At the end of the story, Luke has achieved his goal. He’s not a Jedi yet, but he’s done something honorable. He’s saved his people from the Death Star. His Want is fulfilled.

    Luke has more of a flat arc in the first movie, in that he doesn’t learn anything specific. His Want wasn’t changed in any way, but he’s changed the world around him, and now he lives in the New World instead of the Old.

    Plot Structure

    This section describes the plot of A New Hope according to the 3-Act Structure. Again, while I discovered the plotpoints for this movie myself, I wasn’t the first person to do so, and I didn’t teach myself. K.M. Weiland has the entire plot of A New Hope laid out here if you’d like to study this more in depth.

    Characteristic Moment: Luke’s “normal world” is in Tatooine, living with his aunt and uncle. He wants to do something meaningful in life.

    Inciting Event: Luke finds Leia’s secret message in R2-D2 mentioning a man named “Obi Wan Kenobi.”

    Push Point: Luke’s aunt and uncle die, forcing him to go with Obi Wan.

    Pinch Point: The bad guys blow up Alderaan

    Midpoint: They’re sucked in by the Death Star’s gravitational pull. 

    Pinch Point: They end up in the trash compactor which the bad guys turn on

    Lowpoint: Darth Vader kills Obi Wan. Luke, Han, and Leia make it to the ship and fly away in grief.

    Climax: The Death Star is about to blow up the Rebel base. Luke flies a ship down the tunnel and shoots a laser beam into the mechanism that will destroy it. Death Star explodes.

    Resolution: Luke and Han get medals for their bravery. Luke has done what he always wanted to do: something meaningful. He’s a hero now.

    Closing

    I hope this review/analyzation of A New Hope has helped you see how plot, characters, and theme are tightly interwoven, and hopefully you can impliment some of these things in your own story. You can find the analyzations for movies 2 & 3 (or 5 & 6) here and here.

    Was this post helpful? What is one thing you’ve learned from a movie/book you’ve analyzed? I’d love to hear about it. Share with me here!

  • The Parent of a Young Writer with Karina Anderson

    The Parent of a Young Writer with Karina Anderson

    (My Mom)

    Links:

    TRANSCRIPT:

    Jubilee(Jubi): Hey, Book Bards! Welcome back to my cottage in the woods for an interview with my mom, Karina Anderson. Mommy, I’m so glad to have you here today, and I’m excited talk about what it’s like to be the parent of a young writer. Thank you so much for joining me today!

    Mom: Well, thank you so much for having me, Jubi. This is really exciting!

    Jubilee:My first question is; What is it like to be the parent of a young writer?

    It’s been really fun to see you grow in your writing. From your early, I don’t know, maybe you were 5 or 6 years old, writing Chrysanthemum stories and handing them out to friends that would come over for dinner, to then writing your first book, your Anda and Philip story, and getting to read through that and thinking, she’s really improved from her Chrysanthemum story! And then more recently getting to read the prologue and the first chapter of Knightfall. And, and just being pretty amazed at the leaps and bounds that you’ve made, even just this past year.

    So that’s been fun to watch you grow in your writing skills. And also just to hear the different things that you’re excited about, what you’re passionate about, and what you’re learning. And it’s been fun that you’ve been bringing me into that world and telling me what you’re learning through the videos that you’re watching and the different instructors on The Young Writers Workshop and other podcasts and blogs and different things that you’ve been interested in and have helped me to learn alongside with you.

    Jubilee: How do you balance critiques and encouragement when looking at your own child’s writing? I know a while back I gave you the Anda and Philip story, and then recently I shared with you the prologue and first chapter of Knightfall. You’ve been extremely encouraging, but also especially I’ve noticed with Knightfall, you’ve given some good critique. So how do you balance that?

    Mom: Thank you! I never quite know for sure, but I think mostly is just being honest. You’re asking how to balance critique and encouragement, constructive criticism as we like to call it. I think it’s being honest.

    You’ve mentioned to me several times how something that you love about being around peers that also love to write is that they will give you honest feedback. They’ll tell you where you can actually improve and not just saying, ‘Oh, that was great!’ but actually give you specific pointers on different areas that you can improve in your writing.

    I tend to be kind of a detailed person, so I like to get into the little details whereas I know writers sometimes like bigger picture critiques. I know you told me sometimes, ‘This time when you read my writing, I want you to tell me how you’re feeling. What are you feeling whenever you read this chapter? Are you feeling scared? Are you feeling excited?’

    And I had never really thought through too much about how to read through something that way. I don’t usually think through how my feeling as I read this, but it’s interesting because when I’ve watched movies before, there’s times where I’ve left the theater kind of anxious, or excited. There’s just different heightened feelings there. Or if I’m reading through something really sad, I end up feeling depressed for part of the day. And so that it’s interesting when you asked me that question it just made me think. And that was interesting to see you’re trying to get a feel for; ‘Am I conveying the right feeling to the audience, to my readers?’

    And so that was interesting to be a part of that and to be able to share what I feel whenever I’m reading through something. And so how do I balance critique and encouragement?… I think with honesty, and definitely sharing positives first, and then, ‘Okay, here’s some areas where I see that you could improve upon.’ So that’s, that’s what I think I tend to do.

    Jubilee: Yeah, that’s, that’s really good. Kind of going off of that, you and Daddy have invested a lot in my writing with The Young Writer’s Workshop, and with being willing to listen to me talk about writing all day long, over, and over, and over, and also by reading through some of my stuff. Was there anything in your childhood that your parents did with you, maybe with dance or with something else, that influenced the way you influence me?

    Mom: Absolutely! My parents were very supportive and the cool thing was they recognized that my sister and I were two separate people and we had very different strengths and likes and dislikes. They, they were great about helping us to develop those things. And they were very aware that they themselves weren’t necessarily the ideal teacher for that thing, that that wasn’t their strength per se, but they walked alongside us.

    I was a dancer, and I loved it! I would dance all the time. They would hear me dancing in my room nonstop. I had a closet with mirror doors. I think my parents very intentionally did that so that I could see myself doing the dance moves and critiquing myself, you know, ‘Point your toes,’ and all that kind of stuff. I don’t know how I got away with doing leaps in my room. It was a small room! Sometimes I would kick, kick the furniture by accident. So they put up with all of that.

    But then my parents would also, and my mom in particular, would go to all of our dance competitions and they would stay late at the football games. Sometimes we would get home past ten for sure, sometimes closer to midnight. And they were just, especially my mom, she was just there to support us. I can’t imagine it must have been like for them. I think my mom had fun with it, but she never complained.

    I see it now as an adult, as a mom myself, the sacrifices that she made. But at the time, it was just a ‘given’ that my mom was gonna give me rides to all the different places. And if I needed a new pair of tights that she was gonna buy them, and a new leotard. And those were expensive, but my parents didn’t complain about it. They were very supportive.

    I remember I also got into theater at one point in high school and I think I had probably 14 lines in Charlotte’s Web. I was the baby lamb. And so most of my lines went like this: “Baa. Baa.” I had a few little one liners in there. But I was just excited to be a part of the show.

    My dad went and watched me, and afterwards, it impacted me so much because he wrote me a letter with so much praise and encouragement telling me how proud he was of me. For my 14 lines. He said something to me. He said, ‘I support you and whatever you want to do when you grow up, even if it’s acting’ They were always very encouraging.

    And then when I went to college, they just let me pick whatever I wanted to do. I started out doing accounting and realized pretty quickly that I didn’t want to sit behind a desk all day and be by myself. I thought, “Well, that seems kind of a lonely career. I think I would rather do education.” I switched to that and they were very supportive of that.

    And not just for me but also for my sister. My sister was into music. She was in the band. She played trumpet, she was really good at it. She also played piano. They paid for her piano lesson since she was 7 years old. And, and then she also got into photography. That’s what her major was in college. They just supported us all the way through. They didn’t really question it. They just backed us up. So I loved that about them.

    Jubilee: Wow, well, I did not know all that! That’s very interesting!

    Mom: That’s your grandparents! 😀

    Jubilee: Going back to sharing a piece of writing with parents, I know sometimes I’ve been in this situation before, where I want to share my writing with you because you’re my parents and you guys are supporting me! But sometimes I feel like a little bit scared. What would you tell a young writer who is afraid to share their writing with their parents?

    Mom: I would tell them to let their parents know, “Hey, I really want to share this with you. I’ve felt a bit apprehensive about doing it. But, I want you to come in on that part of my life with me and to be a part of that!” And I think that their parents would be so honored. I know I have been. Anytime that you’ve shared something with me, I’ve just been so proud of you. And I’m sure that their parents would be so proud of them to be able to see what they’re doing, what they’re producing.

    So, I would say, do it! Step forward in that fear. God does not give us a spirit of fear. (2 Timothy 1:7)

    You’re gonna face many more fears and this is gonna be a small one. Because think about sharing it with the greater public: Sharing it with an editor, sharing it with an agent, those big people out there in the writing world. If you think about it, sharing writing with your parents is actually a really small step. That builds character right there and helps you to take a small step for that day when you’ll be taking an even bigger step when you go to try and publish your work.

    Jubilee: I’ve really enjoyed this conversation with you!

    Mom: Yeah. Me too! I’m glad to do this.

    Jubilee: Thank you so much for joining me on my podcast!

    Mom: Well, thanks for inviting me! I loved it!

    Jubilee: Bye everyone!